tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post7577876109526070319..comments2008-05-07T18:04:04.831-04:00Aviaahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10176945053751665788noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-80923092958276571062007-01-10T15:10:00.000-05:002007-01-10T15:10:00.000-05:00KA,<br /><br /><b>I'm w/Remy: these folks have had a free pass WAY too long.</b><br /><br />Sure. Religion doesn't deserve to be handled with kid gloves any more than any other topic.... that being said, I've had a lot more success with my in person conversations when I've avoided bringing up Dawkin's garden fairies. Somehow, they just don't go over so well.Aviaahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10176945053751665788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-30111946440236366672007-01-09T16:02:00.000-05:002007-01-09T16:02:00.000-05:00Aviaa:<br /><b>How terribly sneaky (in a logical, non-negatively-sneaky type way).</b><br />It's the Agrippa's Trilemma. Pathetic really.<br />It's like I told my brudder-in-law on Xmas eve (he tried to shift the burden of proof - how typical!): "No way am I going to disprove the existence of something you can't prove exists."<br />I'm w/Remy: these folks have had a free pass WAY too long.Krystalline Apostatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-57310109741153506272007-01-08T16:00:00.000-05:002007-01-08T16:00:00.000-05:00Meso: <b>Its their fault for making me argue with them so much. ;p</b><br /><br />They are inadvertently contributing to the development of your debate skills, eh?Aviaahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10176945053751665788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-51221351368917785182007-01-08T15:56:00.000-05:002007-01-08T15:56:00.000-05:00<b>How terribly sneaky (in a logical, non-negatively-sneaky type way). <br /></b><br /><br />Its their fault for making me argue with them so much. ;pMesofortehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11187247135363619155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-59589563115548804502007-01-08T10:09:00.000-05:002007-01-08T10:09:00.000-05:00Anonymous: <b>Who cares if people think you're arrogant when you don't believe in their imaginary friend? Do we actual value the opinions of such nuts?</b><br /><br />Eh, in many cases, yes. Even if I think that I’m right, I’d prefer to be right in a logical, friendly, often amusing way than a more arrogant, obnoxious way. But that’s just the role I’d rather cast for myself. I don’t think atheists have any more “obligation” to be non-arrogant than theists.<br /><br /><br />Watcher: <b>I think the pride part comes from being proud of yourself for not falling into the "trap" of believing.</b><br /><br />Yeah, I suppose so. Then again, I certainly attribute my not falling into belief as more a product of genetics and environment rather than sheer force of will (or anything else I could be legitimately “proud” of). Acknowledging that I’m an atheist is a choice. However, I’m not sure that being atheist is a choice, for me at least. I could pretend to be religious for the social benefits and the like, but I don’t think I could ever actually force myself to believe. <br /><br /><br />Remy: <b>I think I will have to confess (again)to being arrogant. I'm not always thus. It depends on the situation.</b><br /><br />Me too. Some situations certainly call for being more “forceful” than others. <br /><br /> <b>"Respect for Religion" has had a free ride for too long. It's the breaking of this tabu that seems to elicit charges of arrogance</b><br /><br />Yes. And it’s those charges of arrogance that I disagree with the most… challenging religious beliefs in the same way as one would legitimately challenge other beliefs shouldn’t be labeled as arrogance.<br /><br /><br />Meso: <b>Most atheists don't say that "there isn't a god." Atheism is just an absense of theistic beleif.</b><br /><br />(nods)<br /><br /> <b>that way when they pull the "well, you can't prove there isn't a god," you can say, "I didn't say there isn't one." Then you point out that without proof, denial and affirmation of god is unjustified, leaving implicit atheism as the justified position. ^_^</b><br /><br />How terribly sneaky (in a logical, non-negatively-sneaky type way). <br /><br /><b>For the next one, I recommend "Atheism: the Case Against God." It has a chapter on agnosticism.</b><br /><br />I shall have to check it out.Aviaahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10176945053751665788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-52943590521726922492007-01-07T17:56:00.000-05:002007-01-07T17:56:00.000-05:00<b>Even those who like to point out, “well, you can’t prove there isn’t a god,” tend to not call those who have a lack of a belief in, say, unicorns arrogant. They call it realistic.</b><br /><br />Most atheists don't say that "there isn't a god." Atheism is just an absense of theistic beleif. That way when they pull the "well, you can't prove there isn't a god," you can say, "I didn't say there isn't one." Then you point out that without proof, <b>denial</b> and <b>affirmation</b> of god is unjustified, leaving implicit atheism as the justified position. ^_^<br /><br />For the next one, I recommend "Atheism: the Case Against God." It has a chapter on agnosticism.Mesofortehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11187247135363619155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-13542834737944395382007-01-07T13:09:00.000-05:002007-01-07T13:09:00.000-05:00I think I will have to confess (again)to being arrogant. I'm not always thus. It depends on the situation. <br />"Respect for Religion" has had a free ride for too long. It's the breaking of this tabu that seems to elicit charges of arrogance.remynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-38065214924043691722007-01-07T01:02:00.001-05:002007-01-07T01:02:00.001-05:00I think the pride part comes from being proud of yourself for not falling into the "trap" of believing.<br /><br />I, however, feel no pride in being an atheist, and often, I wish I wasn't. It's not easy for me to think about the fact that I will eventually die, and that's it. And yet, I feel happier knowing that, than I would feel if I walked around deluding myself into thinking otherwise.The Watcherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13507361086307677959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-77270142183049761262007-01-07T01:02:00.000-05:002007-01-07T01:02:00.000-05:00Who cares if people think you're arrogant when you don't believe in their imaginary friend? Do we actual value the opinions of such nuts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19189631.post-83967754739568471702007-01-07T00:25:00.000-05:002007-01-07T00:25:00.000-05:00RE: belief<br />Belief Puzzle <br />http://beepbeepitsme.blogspot.com/2007/01/belief-puzzle.htmlbeepbeepitsmehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12931640447011071849noreply@blogger.com